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My full reaction to sebjenseb's new article on academia and prestige:

THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION HOAX:

Huebner's finding that innovation peaked between 1840 and 1880 is wild. Every modern convenience -- phones, computers, refrigeration, air conditioning, cars -- didn't become accessible to consumers until the 1950s. These conclusions are radically contradictory to "common sense,” but I’m open to them.

Murray's estimate that "rate of accomplishment" peaked in 1550 is even more astounding. It debunks the entire concept of the "industrial revolution." According to Murray, we are less innovative than Europeans in the 1400s. If peak invention occurred in 1550, and everything since then has been downhill, this challenges a few assumptions:

1. That the dysgenic selection of the 18th century is responsible for a decline in innovation (the decline began two centuries earlier);

2. That democracy or liberalism is at fault (again, two centuries late)

3. That warfare is bad for innovation (there’s no correlation, maybe even a positive correlation between military deaths per capita and innovation)

THE EVERYTHING CRISIS:

It’s not just academia that is becoming less prestigious. Everything is becoming less prestigious: corporations are less productive, businesses are less efficient, anyone can call themselves a CEO, anyone can be a college graduate, it's all worthless. It's an "everything crisis" of prestige. As a result, people are ghettoizing into political theologies where prestige is revived within cloistered spaces. E-celebs are prestigious within their internet circles. This is more volatile and less stable than the traditional university system, but so was the "prestige" of a 15th century inventor.

WHAT IS PRESTIGE?

Prestige is "social recognition and acclaim." In the 16th century, inventors didn't get much recognition and acclaim. Who even knows the name of the guy who invented the pocket watch? Anyone? (Henlein, 1510) But we know Edison and Tesla because the prestige of invention started to exponentially increase as it started to affect the lives of common people. Isaac Newton was one of the first “celebrity scientists,” and the Royal Society helped increase his prestige. Everyone knows who Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Elon Musk are. They are famous, but they are not necessarily prestigious. It seems that innovation prestige peaked around the time of Tesla's death in the 1940s, and since then, Americans have become increasingly cynical about inventors.

Part of this might have to do with sci-fi. On the one hand, sci-fi oversells science, so that real life seems disappointing. On the other hand, it fear-mongers (Frankenstein) about the negative effects of technology. Most Americans see social media and automation as the fruit of technology, and they hate it (even as they use it and benefit from it).

THE GRADING APOCALYPSE:

The problem of incentives in grading is huge. Universities are never punished for grade inflation. Grade inflation is just as problematic as real inflation, but from the reverse. Whereas monetary inflation destroys the wages of the poor and the savings of the middle class, grade inflation destroys our trust in institutions, because it levels the playing field and destroys competence. There is absolutely no will in academia to fight this -- not even from conservatives. Conservatives are too busy fighting "wokeness" and "gender studies." No one is willing to start firing professors or holding them accountable for handing out A's like breadsticks at the Olive Garden.

AI INTERVIEWS:

Companies have always had difficulty testing employees for competence. That's why degrees are valuable -- they tell companies something about employees, and help filter out low-value candidates. But if a degree becomes worthless, then they need another way to filter employees. However, interviews take time and are expensive. Anyone who goes through a corporate hiring process understands that it's not just one manager taking one hour to hire a person. It's four rounds of interviews with ten different people. Assuming a company is paying every $100 an hour ($200k salaries), that's $4,000 just to get a person through the interview process. If you have 100 applicants, that's $400,000 just to hire a single person for a single position.

Maybe this is where AI saves the day. AI spends hours and hours putting applicants through various hoops without any human oversight or interview necessary. If the applicant satisfies the AI, then they move on to a real human interview, which hopefully is a one-and-done with their direct manager, to control for personality defects and clear mental illness. Basically, the job of AI is to construct a virtual job environment for the applicant, and force them to waste enormous amounts of time succeeding in that environment. It's a bit like Ender's Game.

BIRTH-RATES:

The graph you show is amazing. Between 1972 and 2007, the birth-rate-acceleration "slammed the brakes." What I mean by this is that during those 35 years, the decline in the birth-rate slowed dramatically, to the point that in 2007 it seemed like birth-rates may have begun to turn positive again. EDIT: I originally misread this as USA data, but it's actually global data.

Seb says: "my own prediction is that fertility will stop declining around 2030, as the drop is largely driven by the increase in smartphones and internet use. In addition to this, I predict that culture in societies with consistently low fertility will shift slowly towards high fertility norms"

I am more cynical here, because I believe low fertility is being driven by biological factors, both in terms of psychology and biological fertility. As people become more mentally ill, LGBTQ+, neurotic, fearful, and risk averse, they want less kids. And then even if they want kids, they can't have them because their reproductive organs aren't functioning properly. Even the Amish are seeing a decline in fertility. This doesn't rely upon mutational load theory, because it can be a function of microplastics and forever chemicals. No cultural revolution can fight this, at least not without biologically changing our environment. And even if we did get rid of all the microplastics, the effects are epigenetic, and therefore heritable. You can't reverse these effects without inducing a massive genetic bottleneck, which takes time to bear fruit "naturally" (meaning, no eugenics).

Yes, eventually humans will evolve to cope with microplastics by overcompensating with ridiculous amounts of testosterone production and excessive sperm counts. But that type of evolution would take several generations, and I don't expect to see the selective effects becoming visible in this century. But that's an assertion that needs to be proven by mathematical models. The problem is that most of these models contain assertions that don't account for the heritability of fertility, and instead rely on ad hoc sociological models in an area where we have no historical data, because fertility rates have never been this low before.

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I did a third-level degree in the late 20th century and not to have done so was literally unthinkable for someone of my social class and IQ. None of my grandparents and only one of my parents had gone to third level mainly for economic reasons and there was huge social pressure. All of my fourteen first cousins have or will complete their level.

I keep a casual eye on local academic output and it seems to have gone downhill over the last 25 years since I was engaged . Large parts of the academy are just doing grievance studies and over in STEM everyone is in a micro-specialism. No one has Big Ideas anymore.

For my own kids - who will leave school over the course of the next decade - I’m not so sure. I can see merit in them doing something technical/vocational like medicine or engineering. But for much of the humanities I really see very little point given that everyone (even the professors) will rely on LLM-generated content and the curriculum is actively getting worse.

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