Polygamy requires a very disruptive process where surplus males are gotten rid of.
The polygamous LDS factions expel a lot of teenage males for being disruptive. This works because they can be absorbed into a massive surrounding population of white Americans who are monogamous.
But I do not know how it would work at societal level.
You could have compensatory polyandry where nerd guys share a nerd woman. Outside of that subculture I think you'd get a lot more violence though as the guys would prefer to fight over her.
1. Consideration of this question should engage with the issues of porn consumption and chatbot companions. My sense is that delayed loss of virginity is partly due to heavy porn consumption by young men. Inasmuch as this removes men from the active dating pool, it could _increase_ the extent of polygyny (and perhaps has contributed to its rise in the US). I'm unsure what to expect from chat companions other than less amory at all
2. Not that many people have to be polyamorous for it to have an effect on the experience of dating. I admittedly live in Berkeley, which is the epicenter of the polyamory movement, but it's impossible to date, or frankly go anywhere, without running into these people. Unlike normal young adults, who might be single and looking 1/4 of the time, they're just always on the market, and so heavily overrepresented. They also seem not to have the social sense to know when not to be on the prowl
3. Friends who are more sensitive to social currents than I am tell me that polyamory is becoming passé among the social vanguard. I haven't been able to discern this myself (cf Berkeley, above), but the polyamorous obviously incur a lot of drama, and it's easy to see how this could be self-limiting
4. imo the example of the LDS supports the notion that mating patterns are more culturally determined than biologically determined, and I don't think that we should weight Europe's history of monogamy too strongly here. It does seem clear that we've been in a period of rapid social change for the past 10+ years, and it's too soon to know how it will shake out
> 100% of this effect is explained by the rise in virginity
The graph you show isn't sufficient to support this claim. If the middle of the distribution of individuals' number of sexual partners bottomed out, eg more virgins and more 3+ partner high schoolers at the expense of 1-2 partner high schoolers, we would observe tight correlations between gini and both percent virgins and percent chads
Physical attractiveness confers paramount ability in social and dating contexts, but because, as you've pointed out, most chads don't use it to its full potential, it becomes analogous to physical strength in that, although it obviously exists and would help you push people around, most strong people are heckin wholesome human beings! And aren't going to exert their greater strength in most contexts
Christianity could become more lax on Polyamory if it becomes more Africanized. I've heard that missionaries in Africa look the other way at the polygamous practices there, in order to "save more souls". It would never become encouraged though.
For most men historically polygyny was mostly serial monogamy without divorcing your exes. Unless being very rich and powerful.
Polygyny is interesting as there was a Moroccan sultan that is said to have had 888 sons which would point to high reproductive success of powerful men in polygamous societies while ottoman sultans at the peak of ottoman power had harems with over 1000 young female sex slaves, 2-3 surviving sons (that would eventually kill each other until only 1 remained) and a handful of daughters, not any different from having a fertile wife in a monogamous marriage.
Polygamy requires a very disruptive process where surplus males are gotten rid of.
The polygamous LDS factions expel a lot of teenage males for being disruptive. This works because they can be absorbed into a massive surrounding population of white Americans who are monogamous.
But I do not know how it would work at societal level.
"Polygamy requires a very disruptive process where surplus males are gotten rid of... I do not know how it would work at societal level."
War.
You could have compensatory polyandry where nerd guys share a nerd woman. Outside of that subculture I think you'd get a lot more violence though as the guys would prefer to fight over her.
"Heartiste was a great talent."
How so? Dude seems like just any other 'get chikz bro' mong in the man-o-sphere.
Aside from my nit below, a few notes
1. Consideration of this question should engage with the issues of porn consumption and chatbot companions. My sense is that delayed loss of virginity is partly due to heavy porn consumption by young men. Inasmuch as this removes men from the active dating pool, it could _increase_ the extent of polygyny (and perhaps has contributed to its rise in the US). I'm unsure what to expect from chat companions other than less amory at all
2. Not that many people have to be polyamorous for it to have an effect on the experience of dating. I admittedly live in Berkeley, which is the epicenter of the polyamory movement, but it's impossible to date, or frankly go anywhere, without running into these people. Unlike normal young adults, who might be single and looking 1/4 of the time, they're just always on the market, and so heavily overrepresented. They also seem not to have the social sense to know when not to be on the prowl
3. Friends who are more sensitive to social currents than I am tell me that polyamory is becoming passé among the social vanguard. I haven't been able to discern this myself (cf Berkeley, above), but the polyamorous obviously incur a lot of drama, and it's easy to see how this could be self-limiting
4. imo the example of the LDS supports the notion that mating patterns are more culturally determined than biologically determined, and I don't think that we should weight Europe's history of monogamy too strongly here. It does seem clear that we've been in a period of rapid social change for the past 10+ years, and it's too soon to know how it will shake out
> 100% of this effect is explained by the rise in virginity
The graph you show isn't sufficient to support this claim. If the middle of the distribution of individuals' number of sexual partners bottomed out, eg more virgins and more 3+ partner high schoolers at the expense of 1-2 partner high schoolers, we would observe tight correlations between gini and both percent virgins and percent chads
Physical attractiveness confers paramount ability in social and dating contexts, but because, as you've pointed out, most chads don't use it to its full potential, it becomes analogous to physical strength in that, although it obviously exists and would help you push people around, most strong people are heckin wholesome human beings! And aren't going to exert their greater strength in most contexts
Christianity could become more lax on Polyamory if it becomes more Africanized. I've heard that missionaries in Africa look the other way at the polygamous practices there, in order to "save more souls". It would never become encouraged though.
For most men historically polygyny was mostly serial monogamy without divorcing your exes. Unless being very rich and powerful.
Polygyny is interesting as there was a Moroccan sultan that is said to have had 888 sons which would point to high reproductive success of powerful men in polygamous societies while ottoman sultans at the peak of ottoman power had harems with over 1000 young female sex slaves, 2-3 surviving sons (that would eventually kill each other until only 1 remained) and a handful of daughters, not any different from having a fertile wife in a monogamous marriage.
*JD Unwin intensifies*