Dynomight recently posted about his obsession with “tunnel man”, an unidentified 31 year old man who has grown obsessed with digging a tunnel, as described by his SO: Most of the responses were pretty receptive, ranging from: He should be careful, because the tunnel could collapse.
How prestigious a hobby is seen by society is strongly shaped by zeitgeist and culture. Tennis, golf and skiing still hold a higher reputation than table-tennis, football or basketball.
What is seen as desirable by society can shift in decades though, as seen in art, architecture, fashion etc. Tattoos are still strongly associated with crime and crudity in Asia, while in the liberal West it has become more and more accepted through the means of celebrities in fashion, sports and media. While nerd activities are not of high status, they are less negatively portrayed as 20 years ago, the same goes for sexual laxity and influencer thottery.
ACTIVITY TYPE (SOCIAL, PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT, EXPLORATORY, SIGNALLING, ETC)
REWARD FUNCTION (PLEASURE FROM DISCOVERY, PLEASURE FROM EXPLOITATION, PLEASURE FROM SATIATING, PLEASURE FROM GROUP HARMONIZATION)
META-REWARD FUNCTION (Agreeable -> [social approval, likes on facebook] -> network effects; disagreeable -> [respect, knowledge])
TRANSFER FUNCTION (If domain of TASK in activity is generalizable R^N space; aka dating simulator to dating, public speaking to leadership)
ENERGY COST (energetic cost of activity)
Where RELATIONAL weighted COST exceeds PERCEIVED BENEFIT (from message other-to-other, other-to-self, self-to-self) summation of all ACTIVITY types, then SOCIAL DISAPPROVAL is HIGH. So IFF, example in scientific community, META-reward function is TRUTH/knowledge of EACH and EVERY and PEER STATUS = ~ SIMILAR on JUDGEMENT, then reward FUNCTION is RESPECT, for which TRANSFER FUNCTION is applied CHANGE in REAL STATE from which REWARD can be attained -- like longer lifespan given LOW ENERGY COST of discovery, HENCE TRANSFER FUNCTION [profession] SCIENTIST = POSITIVE
I think you should distinguish theoretically between cues (or indicators) and signals. The fact that traits we care about are expressed in certain behaviors (like hobbies) is not sufficient to call these behaviors "signals" of those traits (in the sense in which the word is used in signaling theory). One could say that these behaviors *indicate* certain traits (to an observer) since they are causally related. See here for more details: https://triangulation.substack.com/p/how-beliefs-become-signals
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How prestigious a hobby is seen by society is strongly shaped by zeitgeist and culture. Tennis, golf and skiing still hold a higher reputation than table-tennis, football or basketball.
What is seen as desirable by society can shift in decades though, as seen in art, architecture, fashion etc. Tattoos are still strongly associated with crime and crudity in Asia, while in the liberal West it has become more and more accepted through the means of celebrities in fashion, sports and media. While nerd activities are not of high status, they are less negatively portrayed as 20 years ago, the same goes for sexual laxity and influencer thottery.
you forgot wasting your time on x as a hobby :D
ACTIVITY TYPE (SOCIAL, PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT, EXPLORATORY, SIGNALLING, ETC)
REWARD FUNCTION (PLEASURE FROM DISCOVERY, PLEASURE FROM EXPLOITATION, PLEASURE FROM SATIATING, PLEASURE FROM GROUP HARMONIZATION)
META-REWARD FUNCTION (Agreeable -> [social approval, likes on facebook] -> network effects; disagreeable -> [respect, knowledge])
TRANSFER FUNCTION (If domain of TASK in activity is generalizable R^N space; aka dating simulator to dating, public speaking to leadership)
ENERGY COST (energetic cost of activity)
Where RELATIONAL weighted COST exceeds PERCEIVED BENEFIT (from message other-to-other, other-to-self, self-to-self) summation of all ACTIVITY types, then SOCIAL DISAPPROVAL is HIGH. So IFF, example in scientific community, META-reward function is TRUTH/knowledge of EACH and EVERY and PEER STATUS = ~ SIMILAR on JUDGEMENT, then reward FUNCTION is RESPECT, for which TRANSFER FUNCTION is applied CHANGE in REAL STATE from which REWARD can be attained -- like longer lifespan given LOW ENERGY COST of discovery, HENCE TRANSFER FUNCTION [profession] SCIENTIST = POSITIVE
Are you autistic?
Based on anecdotal observation, enjoyment of travelling appears to have a negative correlation with autism.
What about sociobiology enjojer?
Let the man DIG
Homosexuality doesn't meet the criteria of a paraphilia. What the fuck are you talking about?
it's in a similar latent ideaspace
I think you should distinguish theoretically between cues (or indicators) and signals. The fact that traits we care about are expressed in certain behaviors (like hobbies) is not sufficient to call these behaviors "signals" of those traits (in the sense in which the word is used in signaling theory). One could say that these behaviors *indicate* certain traits (to an observer) since they are causally related. See here for more details: https://triangulation.substack.com/p/how-beliefs-become-signals
1. Thoughts on hobbies like DnD/tabletop, tinkering, and drawing?
2. It seems like the kinds of books or media you enjoy. Listening to classical is high status while punk isn't.
3. Cooking is only a good hobby if you genuinely enjoy it or you have so much extra time its always economical.
Opinions on playing music as a hobby?
on the fence, which is why i didn't voice my opinion
not productive, but can be pleasing and socially desirable. if you have the skills for it, i recommend it, otherwise i would avoid.
Wine tasting: gay threw me off. I find reading and writing to be great hobbies though.
>Wine tasting: gay threw me off.
as in wine tasting is gay, or it isn't?
Made me chuckle. Probably because I did some wine tasting today. Can confirm it’s pretty gay.