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Sectionalism Archive's avatar

Yeah, I was sort of bewildered by that article. Like... This guy thinks that, despite all of the libtardification that has happened to our institutions in the past 5 years, the Alt-Right won because it got a few conservative media personalities to vaguely bring up RR and identity issues? Nigga please! We don't have time for these victories to happen at a snail's pace, especially since there's no telling if there will ever be anything like another Alt-Right. There probably won't be. As you said, censorship pretty much choked the Alt-Right out after Charlottesville (even to some extent beforehand). Other factors exist too. The Internet "Old Guard" largely phased out during 2017-present and was replaced with people who had very little if any presence online before 2014. This new guard was much less full of nerds and heterodox opinions and was suited to the explosion of "normal people" using the internet to communicate with people they didn't know in real life. Perhaps the biggest factor for why some people now think the Alt-Right won, is that algorithms have gotten better. They are seeing more of what they like to see, and think other people are too. But in reality, other people are seeing even less of the more heterodox content than they used to.

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WanderingDalesman's avatar

The idea that the alt-right won is complete nonsense.

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Arthur Powell's avatar

Interestingly there is also a lot of airtime going now for the data showing that women are trending ever more liberal and men are trending slightly more conservative. A divergence. As more and more people seem to not couple up then that trend is going to probably continue for a while. Single women are always more liberal .

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Chris67's avatar

Men are not really getting more conservative(in some countries they are getting more left wing like Australia https://theconversation.com/australias-young-people-are-moving-to-the-left-though-young-women-are-more-progressive-than-men-reflecting-a-global-trend-222288) but in most countries they are staying roughly the same(https://nuancepill.com/are-young-men-turning-right/). To the extent that there is a growing gender gap(which there is some evidence against see my previous link), and that young people's political views are representative of the future, especially for high school ages, this is because of women becoming rapidly more leftwing, not because of men becoming right wing.

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Oranon's avatar

seeing "against immigration" decrease by half in less than 20 years is blackpilling enough on its own

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Chris67's avatar

Because of lizardmans constant this could be zero for the question on holocaust denial(although I don't know what percentage don't know about the history).

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Reinformer's avatar

Molyneux is alt-lite the last time I checked

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Eraldo Coil's avatar

Being based is going out of style.

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Sebastian Jensen's avatar

The old alt-right as a movement was shot in Charlottesville, and slowly died after that. Whether the radical right wins is another issue.

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Alex DeLarge's avatar

Perhaps "race realism" is the best term. Also, there is no telling how many "public intellectuals" know the truth but can't repeat it publicly. Normies, by definition, just repeat what appears on normie channels.

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Steve the Builder's avatar

I agree with this, but maybe I've just got the terminology wrong.

The alt right of 7-10 years ago seemed to be essentially 4chan retards, edgy pepe memes and cesspools like voat that were so repulsive that they had abject failure built into them. If anything, keeping the normies away was the point for all the anti-social retards.

Now there are youtube channels with proper human beings and years long developmental arcs that have brought their audiences along with them over thousands of hours of streams and podcasts. The conceptual level of someone who is 'into the right' has advanced so drastically over the last decade that actual dumb ideas like libertarianism have finally started to fall away and pragmatic political thinking is starting to gain traction. Like you said, Yarvin has come back, but that is because the average punter easily gets what he's talking about. Back in 2008 discovering him it blew your mind watching the pieces drop into place, but it was like discovering some weird hole into an alternate dimension that was impossible to integrate with everything else. It's was like 'amazing, but wtf do I do with this?" Now it's just part of the tapestry.

The online right was a mess back then, just a huge shitshow. It did have a lot of wild energy which was very cool, but I think it's going to be way more effective in it's current state. The question is whether that's a good thing or not. Some of the forces that it will bring to bear don't have the best track record, it's not like the left is objecting to nothing when they oppose some of this stuff.

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Crown9Φ's avatar

Right, from my perspective as an foreigner it was just a bunch of bad actors that ruined their own cause. I don't think they even understand their own ideas. They're lucky other groups picked up information they dropped.

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